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tell us then how citizens united has made the united states a nation of corporations essentially and not people. >> well, citizens united transformed our politics in the same way that bush versus gore took the last decade from us in essence by deciding the election for that one lucky guy who won the election because of the court's intervention. citizens united is really an effort to remake all of american politics in the image of large corporate wealth and large corporate power. we had essentially a wall of separation between corporate treasury wealth and public elections for many decades and the supreme court had said as far back as chief justice john marshall in the dartmouth college case and as recently as chief justice rehnquist and other conservative justices like justice white that a corporation is not a person armed with political rights but it is an artificial entity that's an instrumentality of the state that's used for purposes of accumulating wealth, investing wealth and it does a great job at that. but we should never allow the corporations to breach the barrier between e
tell us then how citizens united has made the united states a nation of corporations essentially and not people. >> well, citizens united transformed our politics in the same way that bush versus gore took the last decade from us in essence by deciding the election for that one lucky guy who won the election because of the court's intervention. citizens united is really an effort to remake all of american politics in the image of large corporate wealth and large corporate power. we had...
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your focus has been perhaps elsewhere in the world, but there is a raging debate here in the united states and your country as well about the glass ceiling and whether women can have it all. the article saying essentially you can't all at once. maybe over time. where do you come out on this? >> i have a great respect for emery slaughter whom i know. i always say you have got to look at this in the context of a career span which is 40 or 50 years, and i think there are times when you can't have it all in the sense that you can't go full out on your career and full out on bringing up young children. >> eliot: right. >> but that span is such a small part of a lifetime's career. but i do say that women can have it all spaced out over that career, and what we need to do to change the whole dynamic is try to stop making it so women have to make once and for all choices, particularly around the time when they want to have children and bring up their families. too often now we allow women to fall out of the job market and we don't give them ways back in. >> eliot: right. >> and we don't acknowledg
your focus has been perhaps elsewhere in the world, but there is a raging debate here in the united states and your country as well about the glass ceiling and whether women can have it all. the article saying essentially you can't all at once. maybe over time. where do you come out on this? >> i have a great respect for emery slaughter whom i know. i always say you have got to look at this in the context of a career span which is 40 or 50 years, and i think there are times when you can't...
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it took national condemnation, comments from the president of the united states across the political spectrum, 70,000 fans calling in the hour after monday night's game and miles and miles of petition signatures and the threat by the green bay packers to strike or take a knee before every play in their next game. i guess that's all it took to puncture the cocoon where the nfl owners live and say to them gee, maybe it's not a good idea to not have professional referees when you can settle this for the cost of a 30-second super bowl ad. >> that and las vegas who was going to probably see diminished betting on these games because the pros looked at this and said we don't know how to factor the various things that we can factor because the referees have become a hugely disruptive part of the game. the nfl takes great pride and some degree of credit for creating this incredible betting atmosphere around its game. legal betting, atmosphere around its game. i'm sure that was a factor as well. >> let's talk about legal betting for a second. that one play in seattle which flipped the point sp
it took national condemnation, comments from the president of the united states across the political spectrum, 70,000 fans calling in the hour after monday night's game and miles and miles of petition signatures and the threat by the green bay packers to strike or take a knee before every play in their next game. i guess that's all it took to puncture the cocoon where the nfl owners live and say to them gee, maybe it's not a good idea to not have professional referees when you can settle this...